Streitgespräch: "Da dreht sich einem Landwirt der Magen um"
Beide sind unzufrieden, beide protestieren: Landwirt Michael Ströhl und Klima-Aktivist Benedikt Lueger diskutieren über Sündenböcke, importiertes Fleisch und ihr Vertrauen in die Politik. Ein Streitgespräch.
Landwirt Michael Ströhl (links) und Klima-Aktivist Benedikt Lueger diskutierten in der Amberger Redaktion darüber, wie eine klimafreundliche Landwirtschaft funktionieren kann. Das Bild wurde vor dem Ausbruch der Corona-Pandemie aufgenommen.
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Friedhofsstimmung im Garten der Familie Fleischer.](https://www.onetz.de/f/ic/ts/articlemedia/2026/11/02/871b44d9-e6d2-45d2-87b3-75ead7a5be6a.webp)
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Friedhofsstimmung im Garten der Familie Fleischer.](https://www.onetz.de/f/ic/ts-s-43/articlemedia/2026/11/02/871b44d9-e6d2-45d2-87b3-75ead7a5be6a.webp)
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